17 July 2017 @ 07:34 pm
another greenlandic post  
i've restarted how i'm gonna teach myself greenlandic like five times. my current plan is to add all the words i can find off various people's memrise courses into my own organized courses: 1 for "headwords", 1 for "suffixes", 1 for "compound words".

so ex. the word "town" is: illu (house), qaq (has, exists), fik (location or time for) —>
illoqarfik "place where houses exist = town, village".

"illu" would be a headword, "qaq" and "fik" would be suffixes, and "illoqarfik" would be a compound word. the sound changes are regular so when adding words in i'll completely ignore all sound changes and write the "original" form of the word even if you never see it in real life. there's also compound suffixes, which go in their own section in the suffixes course.

i'm now trying to ignore the fact that the meanings and grammar info i find is probably wrong; just like when learning japanese, they'll just be tools to help me find the correct meanings later after i actually understand enough of the language.

after i do straight memorization of all the headwords (of which there are theoretically around 2,000) and suffixes (around 400), i'll then start on the compound words while tackling texts THAT HAVE TRANSLATIONS! luckily i can understand written danish fairly well, because you're never gonna find translations outside of danish, except for certain famous books like pippi longstocking... anyway, despite that i'm constantly restarting i am inadvertently memorizing more and more greenlandic words as i go, so it's still helping even if it's kinda like spinning in a hamster wheel. but today i found out that, for example, there's a certain ending to mean "when i, when you, when it...", which i hadn't seen written about anywhere else, so ex. "when the ship it comes, i'll leave".
 
 
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quabazaa[personal profile] quabazaa on July 18th, 2017 01:38 pm (UTC)
I'm working on memorization of Quechua words right now, it's really interesting to see how similar our strategies are! How many words a day do you aim for? I've got two lists, one of the base words and one of sentences containing them. I'm aiming for about 1000 words to start with since that is around the number in my dictionary, which luckily has example sentences to go along with them. I'm struggling sigh 5 words a day though, I'm still in that stage when all the words sound too similar, I keep mixing them up!
lusentoj[personal profile] lusentoj on July 18th, 2017 05:05 pm (UTC)
sad to say, before I can even start learning words properly I'm going through and creating my own dictionary. because in all the existing dictionaries they actually show compound words and not word "roots", meaning I'm getting "bookstore" and not "book, store". and you can't learn a language that way, especially not one of these agglutinative ones where almost literally everything they say is made up on the spot. ex. the word for "red" is something like "thing-that-is-blood-colored", so it's stupid to memorize it as if it really means "red" — but that's all the dictionaries and lessons are really giving me, i have to figure out that it's "blood..." on my own most of the time. so i just keep combing through various resources day after day to add more words to a memrise course, and once i have as many as i can find / as clear and accurate definitions as i can get them, i'll start memorizing. like, i thought "teach" (ilinniaq or something) was its own root (as is shown in the dictionary and in every learning resource ever), no it's actually made up of some root word "ilip" plus the suffix "niaq", now i have to go figure out what both of those mean on their own. *tears hair out*

i don't know if it's true but i heard there's 3,000 to 4,000 words in Inuktitut/Greenlandic depending on dialect, and maybe 500 suffixes are included in there, so i'm just aiming to get in as many as i possibly can so i can learn the language by immersion after that since i don't really have much choice. right now i'm at around 140 suffixes, 400 headwords and 200 compound words + phrases. i just started "learning" last week and i kept restarting how i was doing everything but it's still pretty far for just a few days' work i think!

oh and the other reason why i want to be super thorough in gathering root words and things is because i sincerely want to make and sell a dictionary and textbook eventually, so i need to have all of them lol. like, people don't normally include stuff like loanwords but i think you actually do have to. there are plenty of people who don't actually know the language they're borrowed from, and anyway who's to say they're not "real greenlandic words" now for example... i'm pretty sure we count stuff like "restaurant" as real english words now.

Edited 2017-07-18 05:08 pm (UTC)
lusentoj[personal profile] lusentoj on July 18th, 2017 05:26 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah and guess what I did all day yesterday for the dictionary? Looked up words I don't even know in ENGLISH!! Like what the heck's the difference between x seal and y seal or x bird and y bird? Then I had a fun time making up the Esperanto names ("white seal" "ring-spot seal" "back-eye flatfish"...)